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Ian Proud is an individual much better qualified than a New Zealand resident watching from afar. Yet...

I am not sure that he has got it right in his analysis of the current war taking place in Europe. I question, for the sake of simplicity, just one of Ian's assumptions - that the countries of Western Europe have an interest in seeking a settlement of the war. What I see is the opposite of trying to end the war. I must admit, that I came to the conclusion, long ago. That I saw the arming of Ukraine by NATO countries, prior to the war, as part of a plan by NATO to expand the alliance in a bid to take on Russia. The purpose being to break Russia up, so that Corporations could resume their destruction of the "Soviet Union" as they did when Yeltsin ruled.

Whether you accept my analysis or not, I have no belief that the largest European countries have any interest in seeking a peace - a war in which many of them are covertly taking an active part.

Time will tell.

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My attempt at being diplomatic clearly failed miserably.

Let me be clear.

The reason that Western Europe has little interest in seeking an end to the war taking place on their continent is that rather than being spectators, it is their war. A war that they and the Americans fund and actively support. They have done so since before hostilities actually took place. The only difference is that their mililitaries are not taking an active part on the front lines. It is young and not so young Ukranians who are dying, rather than their paymasters in the West.

I accept that you do not come from the same standpoint.

But the idea that somehow Western Europeans might wish to end the war between Ukraine and Russia can only have validity if you also believe that they are not active participants, and have been all along.

However, I do think that it is in the interest of European Governments for the war to end. Their economies are in a poor state, and show little sign of recovery. On top of that the recent moves to militarisation by Germany and Britain, so that they can directly fight Russia themselves, have limited chances of success - primarily because they no longer have the industrial base to do so.

If Britain and Western Europe wish to make progress, it will not be via fake diplomatic efforts, to resolve a war that they are participants in. The first thing that any country, in my humble opinion, should do, is "Make a Plan". For themselves. What they want to achieve. Where they want to go. I admit that under the current "democratic" procedures it won't be easy. But without a plan, everyone is just flailing around in the dark, living from day to day. Could this be why China is so successful? They have plans, and are able to carry them out.

So.

Going back to the premise of European nations attempting to negotiate with Russia - I think that it is a non starter.

It isn't diplomacy that is missing, it is honesty.

John Rothery 😎 (Tauranga)

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