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Opuntia Azurea's avatar

It is clear that on many levels neither the US, nor Europe ever considered the consequences of this war. Ukraine will never be able to return to its former state or recover from this conflict. As predicted by Prof. Meirsheimer, it will simply turn into a dysfunctional rump state. Its resources will be plundered and pillaged by transnational banks and corporations from countries who will inevitably demand some form of repayment for the money they poured into this war, and the remaining Ukrainian population will only get poorer and poorer trying to service the IMF and other debt.

It is delusional to think that Ukraine's issues will stay in Ukraine. Firstly, many European countries accepted millions of Ukrainian refugees and migrants most of which do not have any plans to return to Ukraine. Secondly, it is inevitable that many of those, who happen to survive the conflict will eventually seek to reunite with their families who settled in Europe after 2022, and it is highly unlikely that they will be looking to do that in their destroyed homeland, which offers them and their children no prospects. So, thousands of mentally and physically broken soldiers will come to Europe to join their families and only God knows whether they will ever be able to recover from the conflict and contribute anything to the societies they would be looking to become a part of or whether they would instead become a permanent burden on Europe's taxpayers for the rest of their lives. So, the cost of this conflict will be much wider and much more painful than the Ukrainian budget beyond 2026 and Europe needs to prepare for supporting Ukrainian refugees and their families beyond Ukraine's borders. I doubt that this is even being discussed among Europe's leadership, let alone that any preparations are happening!

Last year, the Germans published some stats related to the Ukrainians learning German. According to those stats, nearly 70% of Ukrainians either abandoned German language courses or did not put the required effort into learning the language, failed to turn up to classes, exams etc. Remember, this is in a context, where those courses are being funded by the German government and offered to Ukrainians free of charge! As you can see, this shows low interest among Ukrainians to integrate into German society even on a basic level, let alone start contributing anything to it! Has the German government ever considered the cost of millions of the so called refugees from Ukraine never even trying to integrate into their economy? Yes, they do have plans to cut their benefits to force them to work but what is going to be the success of that if the people you are hoping to force to work don't even speak your language and have no desire to learn it? What if many of them to choose to turn to crime instead? Who considered the cost of that? Nobody!

What is to say that other European countries do not have exactly the same or very similar issues? Nothing!

Even where Ukrainians do get jobs and pay taxes, most of the time the jobs they get are low paid and therefore the taxes they pay do not cover what they require from the system to educate their children, provide their healthcare etc, etc...

So, Europe will be dealing with the consequences of this war for a long, long time to come and it will be without the benefit of cheap Russian resources driving economic miracles like post 1960s Germany's!

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Gene Dillendorf's avatar

Thank you very much for your articles and interviews.

It is surprising that these seemingly most important questions: what will happen to Ukraine and what is happening to Ukraine - are not discussed in the UK. Neither is Britain's (and Europe's) strategy towards Russia and Ukraine in general. (Seems to me that even with regard to the US on the eve of big changes - not much discussion.) Individual dissenters exist (like you or Lord Skidelsky, for example, and I don't even know who else to name...), but the unanimity in society seems unbreakable so far.

At the same time, non-political people have a slightly different take on the issue: ‘it's a war between Russia and the US, but we (Britain) are running ahead of the locomotive as usual. If it weren't for nuclear weapons, we'd be fighting the Great War by now. And in general we don't believe anyone, everyone lies.’

Why do you think there are so critically few dissidents on this issue? If I may quote you (I am writing an article about British dissidents for Novaya Gazeta, Moscow). You have spoken many times about ‘state propaganda’, but this term can only be applied to the BBC, but where is the other view of the rest of the press?

I would be very grateful for your reply - if not for quotation, then just for my understanding.

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