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This article refers me back to a recent article by 'Aurelian'

( https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/and-it-goes-on ) in which he posits that there are usually at least two competing versions of events. e.g. "because the very structure and definition of such conflicts is often contested”.

My reply was: "Well, take for example the war in the Ukraine. There are two main accounts:

1. Russia is still an Empire, is greedy for land and invaded the Ukraine without provocation in order to further this expansionism. Ultimately it wants to invade the rest of Europe to add to its empire, which it lost with the fall of the USSR. This is the line adopted by Brussels, Berlin, Paris, London etc.

2. Russia intervened in the Ukraine on behalf of the ethnic Russians in the Donbas and elsewhere who were being subjected to large scale artillery strikes by the US created pro NATO Neo-nazi government in Kiev. This is very briefly the Russian story.

The idea that these two accounts can logically and realistically be ‘contested’ is ludicrous. The first is obviously and provably a farrago of lies and propaganda, while the second approximates to a truth."

Which leads me to you. How is it that Ian Proud can clearly see and say what is happening in Europe, while those in power are resolutely unable to admit to this? What, apart from an Atlanticist education and the herd instinct, keeps every one of them inside the 'Overtton' corral?

Unlike 'Aurelian' I don't believe any of them believe a word of their propaganda (apart from Kaja Kallas and Annalena Baerbock, who are obviously stupid enough to believe in any mad story) The extreme degree of cohesion baffles me - you would think that the imminent demise of Europe would prompt a few to break ranks - but no! not even one. It is truly astonishing.

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Kemp Tolley was a naval officer (and fluent Russian speaker) who was detailed for duty as an attaché at the American embassy in Moscow during 1942 - 1943. The main duty of the naval contingent was to grease the skids to facilitate delivery of Lend-Lease aid to the Soviets.

Tolley wrote a fascinating book about this experience. In his last chapter he briefly touched on the state of US-Soviet relations as they existed at the time he wrote the book (early 1980s). In the last paragraph, he wrote the following:

"As for the Soviets, it is not what we think, not what we think they think, but what they think that must be cranked into any peaceful solution - take that mile walk in the other fellow's moccasins."

The United States and the Europeans have not taken or applied Tolley's advice since the demise of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s!

(As aside in the interest of full disclosure - Tolley was smitten by and married a Russian, Vlada, while he was serving at the Moscow embassy. After Tolley was transferred from the embassy to sea duty on the USS North Carolina in the Pacific, Vlada had difficulty making her exit from the Soviet Union. At an embassy affair she was attending, George Kennan pointed out an old man who, he informed Vlada, was a deputy minister of foreign affairs who was in charge of passports and visa management. His name was Dekanozov and Kennan suggested that Vlada talk to him about her situation. Vlada poured out her tale of woe to the old man and within a few weeks the logjam was broken, and Vlada was on a plane to Stockholm enroute the USA. Despite Tolley's 'split loyalties' he made rear admiral before he retired from the US Navy).

Tolley's book is well worth your time. I highly recommend it.

Source: Kemp Tolley, 1983, Caviar and Commissars: The Experiences of a U.S. Naval Officer in Stalin's Russia, Naval Institute Press, page 250

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