Exactly - well said Ian. In this country, we live in a sea of deliberate untruths, misinformation/disinformation from the usual online sources which are often anonymous but easily traceable to certain agencies. We have Stormer bloviating incessantly looking to cause trouble. He will face the Elensky curse in epic style - it’s only just starting…..
Having studied history most of my life, particularly the wars of the last century, I have come to the conclusion that in my formative years, I was brainwashed into believing that Britain with the help of the US defeated Nazi Germany.
This brainwashing was in the form of boy's comics like Victor and Warlord. In Warlord, I particularly remember a German character who faught against the Russians on the Eastern front. As a boy I was very confused by this weekly story as I believed the Nazis to be the baddies yet here I was reading about an heroic Nazi infantryman and how he was single handedly destroying Johnny Red, crazy stuff.
In primary school and secondary school there was no mention of the Eastern front in both wars and when I finally arrived in university to study history and English in my late 30s, after many years of my own research, no mention again of the eastern front in both wars.
What's my point? This whitewashing of history for both world wars started during each war, through the media, and has continued up to this day.
What matters is not what the average paddy or brit thinks happened in both wars, what matters is what the global majority think happened, and looking at the parade in red square today, it's pretty obvious that these global majority minds know the truth about about what happened 80 years ago.
My father served in the second New Zealand Expeditionary force, from '43 to '45 and then in the occupation for several years later. from North Africa to southern Austria and Germany, iirc.
He returned but like so many he was not the same man he'd been when he left. He's gone now but it is good to remember. Even if subsequent events and revelations seriously call into question the official Manichean narrative of good versus evil, the sacrifice of so many who accepted that narrative at face value may still be honoured in private memory and public commemoration. Should still be honoured.
Thanks, Dad. Thanks, uncle Ron. Thanks, Dr D. Thanks to all your comrades who did not return.
I remember my dad in the early fifties saying" They reckon the Ruskies are coming". It seemed to me that since those days all media reports on Russia have been biased and extremely negative. The British public have been consistently fed a menacing image propaganda wise. To be sure all countries have periods that they prefer never to refer too. If we are talking about deaths resulting from policies I would have thought that the USA and the UK would be at the top of the list certainly over the last two centuries. It is hard to see things changing in the near future. Freedom of speech has drastically been curtailed in recent years. Quango's like Offcom run by ignorant nonentities who have not acted neutrally in decisions on who is allowed to expound their views in political debate as in the case of the banning of RT. It was a programme that encompassed all factions including Ex British Army Generals and a Royal Navy Admiral. There is no level platform for debate where experts from both sides can debate their views. Russia is discussed by negative actors, never experts. The Middle East is Taboo. Since Keir Starmer arrived on scene the Labour Party has been engulfed in a 'Sea of Zionism'. He outed Jeremy Corbyn the defender of all Indigenous populations throughout the world. A man who defended the Colonialist underdogs. His only crime being soft on immigration. But then again all our parties are soft on immigration that's why we are being swamped , so you cannot really condemn Corbyn for that. With the advent of BRICS the UK and the USA could end up being left high and dry. We need to be trading with the Russian Block, if British farmers who have relocated to Russia seem content to the point of praising their new life and UK firms wish to renew contracts etc why should we suffer because of an almost inbred hatred by our government of all Russia represents. I would love to visit Russia but I cannot afford to. I have friends who have married into Russian families and they seem impressed after their visits. Trouble is there is no one to lead us in that direction. What about you Ian?
‘I believed then, as I believe now, that there was no real conflict of interest between this country and the Soviet Union. I believed then as I believe now, that despite the many obvious differences, our overriding purpose was the same.’
To bloody …. ché I say, well said Ian Proud, and there you have it, reality, unfiltered the actuality of all that is… that should still be… save the predilection of the banking elite and their need, nay incessant coveting a raison detr’e to cause and orchestrate conflict, all in order the dark and nefarious, the odious and evil can be perpetrated, recall the Rothschild play during the Napoleonic wars the early 19th century, his riders making the journey back to London being the very first, to advise the status of the conflict, upon getting the news Rothschild cleverly orchestrated a sell down of positions across stocks, gilts, you name it he sold, fearing the very worst and upon hearing Rothschild was liquidating position, panic ensued in the market, thus Rothschild who had financed both sides in the conflagration selling at an decisive advantage, that by the time the rest of the monied caught up, selling their positions, the blood letting having begun, Rothschild then bought up the sold positions making a killing, it is that very modus operandi (M.O) that has been the genesis of every major conflict since, no more than the most recent, giving rise the Military Industrial Complex, no better exemplified the private equity practitioners of Blackrock, State Street, Vanguard et al, all of whom who see War, Conflict, as the most profitable .. playing now as then both sides of the conflict contagion that has beset the globe the last 4+ decades, indeed the last 4+ decades they have created and finessed such into an art form from the comparative benign machinations that existed pre the 1990’s.
Ref;
Auteur:
Ref; Giorgio Spagnol
Date de publication:
6/7/2019
“War is profitable. The Rothschild family have funded the losers and the winners of all wars since the Napoleonic Wars of 1803 to 1815. They fund both sides so that whichever side wins, they profit. In 1815, Napoleon Bonaparte is campaigning against Wellington. Jacob Rothschild, in Paris, funds Napoleon while Nathan Rothschild, in London, funds Wellington. Soon, the family decides that it is more profitable if Britain wins the war as the British royal family is indebted to the Rothschild family: thus, Jacob limits the funds to Napoleon’s army.
Knowing that Britain is winning the war, Nathan starts selling off his British bonds in lump sums. Other traders conclude that France must be winning and Britain losing. They also dump their British bonds in large sums. As a result, the price of the bond plummets and becomes very low. Once Nathan sees that the other traders have sold all their bonds, he begins buying them back at ridiculously low prices. When the news reaches the ordinary citizens that Britain has won the war, the value of the British bond rises so high that Nathan makes a huge profit. Ever since, the Rothschild family use their money and power to design the economies of other countries in the world. They also create economic crashes to make a profit out of them, just like they do in Britain in 1815.”
For a more insightful understanding follow this link…
The fact that history, real history, unmitigated as it is can be bastardised, convoluted, distorted is disgraceful, that it occasions amongst so called academics, MSM who pride themselves and put themselves front and centre of a reality is even worse… these chameleons are to be disdained, only a small number amongst them prepared to speak truth to fact… it is disgraceful and repugnant great power states like Russia who suffered 28million+ casualties and China who it is readily acknowledged suffered 18-25 millions+ dead during the brutal Japanese invasion 1930’s of mainland China and that such suffering so ever real is not given the due cognisance deserved… compare the U.S losses during WW2 of 3-400,000 circa 1.5-2% of populace to the circa 20% Russian loss of the period and 5-8% loss of China’s populace.
Worse, having allied with the U.K and U.S to defeat fascism, no sooner was it over but those allies, turned their sights upon Russia, recall OSS forerunner the CIA operation Paperclip whereby SS officers, NAZI officials were recruited, given passage, a new start, in the U.S likely the U.K, Canada we know in order they run and manage campaigns to destabilise Russia… Stepan Bandera and his ilk, supported, run, financed, armed and trained, a piece of shitzen, Nazi through and through, Bandera spent the post War years through the 1950’s murdering and terrorising Ukrainians, Russians, members and citizens the USSR, yet today that filth and scum, is idolised in Ukraine, his legacy reactivated across education curricula, streets, parks, public buildings are named after that trash, well I guess that’s the rules based order for you, who can ever forget that dirtbag Nazi being given a standing O and clapped in the Canadian Parliament, such is disgraceful an indictment on true freedom, democratic loving peoples the world over…
For far to long we have had to abide this duplicit evil, our Western governments funding terrorists, criminals of every stripe all in the name of expediency, of progress, give me a break, scum and filth will always be just that, no amount of whitewashing or wishful thinking will change that reality… call it as you know it, understand it, see it.. just saying
Seems like the depravity of PRAVDA has infested the western media so that these historical inconvenient truths must be supressed. EU is now the new USSR as some had shrewdly predicted. Europeans now huddle in their kitchens for hushed conversations as the Moscovites used to do in Soviet times.
It’s hard to imagine someone like Starmer ordering the British embassy to refit its bathroom before his visit so he could spend an evening soaking himself while guzzling the finest malt and smoking an Hoya de Monterrey.
Disrespecting May 9th is the same as disrespecting May 8th or Nov 11th or any other such day.
I don't remember people suggesting Nov 11th should be boycotted, or attacked with drones, just because the British military were on any particular Nov 11th conducting an illegal war in Iraq.
My grandfather was on the convoys and was pulled out of the water twice after his ship was torpedoed. I always wondered how he felt, having risked his life on the Murmansk runs, and I imagine having lost close friends, when Churchill (or whoever) rushed to declare the Soviet Union as the enemy soon after the war ended. I'd have felt very embittered, but my grandfather never spoke about the war to me; just snippets towards his death: "I was in the water twice".
There was also cooperation in World War I, though not to the same degree, I'm led to believe. My great-grandfather captained a British ship that rescued 300 Russian sailors out of the Arctic Ocean after their ship went down. He was awarded some sort of honour like 'Hero of Russia', by the Tsar, and I don't have a date but it must have been shortly before the last Tsar was no more. I'd love to have the original but obviously there is only one and my uncle has it and it will no doubt go down his side of the family.
So this disrespect, indeed naked hostility and aggression towards May 9th is not just insulting to the Russians, and no doubt many Ukrainians, it is insulting to us Brits with convoy relatives.
I saw a very troubling video yesterday of an elderly Ukrainian lady, attempting to lay flowers to commemorate May 9th. She was arrested by the Ukrainian police and carted off in a police car.
It pains me to read in the corporate media, that the presence of Ukrainians in the UK VE commemorations is being used to vilify Russia - yet thousands of Ukrainian soldiers fought alongside Russians in the Red Army against the Nazis in WW2.
You just want to ask those Ukrainians, what did your grandfather do in the war?…. Who did they fight for? What makes me really sick are the Slugworthy characters in the British state enabling all of this.
Anyone who is really interested in unveiling the historica truth of WWII can certainly do so simply by researching the internet. It's all there if you really want to discover it. I really believe that taking lies for truth is a discretionary choice. Why choose the lies, it feels more comfortable in may cases, that's why?
A really interesting question. I don't know the answer. i wonder whether most people don't have the mental bandwidth to think about issues outside of their immediate concerns e.g having somewhere to live, making sure their kids are safe etc. I wonder if this makes people susceptible to propaganda?
Indeed, it is a prerequisite to ease the conditioning of the mind. Hamsters on a wheel who don’t have the time to consider things or invest for the future. Since retirement last year, that has been very clear to me…
Thanks for this. It is appallingly disrespectful that some people cannot acknowledge the sacrifice that the USSR made. It reduces me to tears.
Exactly - well said Ian. In this country, we live in a sea of deliberate untruths, misinformation/disinformation from the usual online sources which are often anonymous but easily traceable to certain agencies. We have Stormer bloviating incessantly looking to cause trouble. He will face the Elensky curse in epic style - it’s only just starting…..
Having studied history most of my life, particularly the wars of the last century, I have come to the conclusion that in my formative years, I was brainwashed into believing that Britain with the help of the US defeated Nazi Germany.
This brainwashing was in the form of boy's comics like Victor and Warlord. In Warlord, I particularly remember a German character who faught against the Russians on the Eastern front. As a boy I was very confused by this weekly story as I believed the Nazis to be the baddies yet here I was reading about an heroic Nazi infantryman and how he was single handedly destroying Johnny Red, crazy stuff.
In primary school and secondary school there was no mention of the Eastern front in both wars and when I finally arrived in university to study history and English in my late 30s, after many years of my own research, no mention again of the eastern front in both wars.
What's my point? This whitewashing of history for both world wars started during each war, through the media, and has continued up to this day.
What matters is not what the average paddy or brit thinks happened in both wars, what matters is what the global majority think happened, and looking at the parade in red square today, it's pretty obvious that these global majority minds know the truth about about what happened 80 years ago.
The world is desperately in need of mutual respect and cooperation NOT smoke n mirrors proxies, divisions in these trying times...
Thank you for this.
My father served in the second New Zealand Expeditionary force, from '43 to '45 and then in the occupation for several years later. from North Africa to southern Austria and Germany, iirc.
He returned but like so many he was not the same man he'd been when he left. He's gone now but it is good to remember. Even if subsequent events and revelations seriously call into question the official Manichean narrative of good versus evil, the sacrifice of so many who accepted that narrative at face value may still be honoured in private memory and public commemoration. Should still be honoured.
Thanks, Dad. Thanks, uncle Ron. Thanks, Dr D. Thanks to all your comrades who did not return.
I remember my dad in the early fifties saying" They reckon the Ruskies are coming". It seemed to me that since those days all media reports on Russia have been biased and extremely negative. The British public have been consistently fed a menacing image propaganda wise. To be sure all countries have periods that they prefer never to refer too. If we are talking about deaths resulting from policies I would have thought that the USA and the UK would be at the top of the list certainly over the last two centuries. It is hard to see things changing in the near future. Freedom of speech has drastically been curtailed in recent years. Quango's like Offcom run by ignorant nonentities who have not acted neutrally in decisions on who is allowed to expound their views in political debate as in the case of the banning of RT. It was a programme that encompassed all factions including Ex British Army Generals and a Royal Navy Admiral. There is no level platform for debate where experts from both sides can debate their views. Russia is discussed by negative actors, never experts. The Middle East is Taboo. Since Keir Starmer arrived on scene the Labour Party has been engulfed in a 'Sea of Zionism'. He outed Jeremy Corbyn the defender of all Indigenous populations throughout the world. A man who defended the Colonialist underdogs. His only crime being soft on immigration. But then again all our parties are soft on immigration that's why we are being swamped , so you cannot really condemn Corbyn for that. With the advent of BRICS the UK and the USA could end up being left high and dry. We need to be trading with the Russian Block, if British farmers who have relocated to Russia seem content to the point of praising their new life and UK firms wish to renew contracts etc why should we suffer because of an almost inbred hatred by our government of all Russia represents. I would love to visit Russia but I cannot afford to. I have friends who have married into Russian families and they seem impressed after their visits. Trouble is there is no one to lead us in that direction. What about you Ian?
‘I believed then, as I believe now, that there was no real conflict of interest between this country and the Soviet Union. I believed then as I believe now, that despite the many obvious differences, our overriding purpose was the same.’
To bloody …. ché I say, well said Ian Proud, and there you have it, reality, unfiltered the actuality of all that is… that should still be… save the predilection of the banking elite and their need, nay incessant coveting a raison detr’e to cause and orchestrate conflict, all in order the dark and nefarious, the odious and evil can be perpetrated, recall the Rothschild play during the Napoleonic wars the early 19th century, his riders making the journey back to London being the very first, to advise the status of the conflict, upon getting the news Rothschild cleverly orchestrated a sell down of positions across stocks, gilts, you name it he sold, fearing the very worst and upon hearing Rothschild was liquidating position, panic ensued in the market, thus Rothschild who had financed both sides in the conflagration selling at an decisive advantage, that by the time the rest of the monied caught up, selling their positions, the blood letting having begun, Rothschild then bought up the sold positions making a killing, it is that very modus operandi (M.O) that has been the genesis of every major conflict since, no more than the most recent, giving rise the Military Industrial Complex, no better exemplified the private equity practitioners of Blackrock, State Street, Vanguard et al, all of whom who see War, Conflict, as the most profitable .. playing now as then both sides of the conflict contagion that has beset the globe the last 4+ decades, indeed the last 4+ decades they have created and finessed such into an art form from the comparative benign machinations that existed pre the 1990’s.
Ref;
Auteur:
Ref; Giorgio Spagnol
Date de publication:
6/7/2019
“War is profitable. The Rothschild family have funded the losers and the winners of all wars since the Napoleonic Wars of 1803 to 1815. They fund both sides so that whichever side wins, they profit. In 1815, Napoleon Bonaparte is campaigning against Wellington. Jacob Rothschild, in Paris, funds Napoleon while Nathan Rothschild, in London, funds Wellington. Soon, the family decides that it is more profitable if Britain wins the war as the British royal family is indebted to the Rothschild family: thus, Jacob limits the funds to Napoleon’s army.
Knowing that Britain is winning the war, Nathan starts selling off his British bonds in lump sums. Other traders conclude that France must be winning and Britain losing. They also dump their British bonds in large sums. As a result, the price of the bond plummets and becomes very low. Once Nathan sees that the other traders have sold all their bonds, he begins buying them back at ridiculously low prices. When the news reaches the ordinary citizens that Britain has won the war, the value of the British bond rises so high that Nathan makes a huge profit. Ever since, the Rothschild family use their money and power to design the economies of other countries in the world. They also create economic crashes to make a profit out of them, just like they do in Britain in 1815.”
For a more insightful understanding follow this link…
https://www.ieri.be/en/publications/wp/2019/juillet/banksters-and-warmongers
The fact that history, real history, unmitigated as it is can be bastardised, convoluted, distorted is disgraceful, that it occasions amongst so called academics, MSM who pride themselves and put themselves front and centre of a reality is even worse… these chameleons are to be disdained, only a small number amongst them prepared to speak truth to fact… it is disgraceful and repugnant great power states like Russia who suffered 28million+ casualties and China who it is readily acknowledged suffered 18-25 millions+ dead during the brutal Japanese invasion 1930’s of mainland China and that such suffering so ever real is not given the due cognisance deserved… compare the U.S losses during WW2 of 3-400,000 circa 1.5-2% of populace to the circa 20% Russian loss of the period and 5-8% loss of China’s populace.
Worse, having allied with the U.K and U.S to defeat fascism, no sooner was it over but those allies, turned their sights upon Russia, recall OSS forerunner the CIA operation Paperclip whereby SS officers, NAZI officials were recruited, given passage, a new start, in the U.S likely the U.K, Canada we know in order they run and manage campaigns to destabilise Russia… Stepan Bandera and his ilk, supported, run, financed, armed and trained, a piece of shitzen, Nazi through and through, Bandera spent the post War years through the 1950’s murdering and terrorising Ukrainians, Russians, members and citizens the USSR, yet today that filth and scum, is idolised in Ukraine, his legacy reactivated across education curricula, streets, parks, public buildings are named after that trash, well I guess that’s the rules based order for you, who can ever forget that dirtbag Nazi being given a standing O and clapped in the Canadian Parliament, such is disgraceful an indictment on true freedom, democratic loving peoples the world over…
For far to long we have had to abide this duplicit evil, our Western governments funding terrorists, criminals of every stripe all in the name of expediency, of progress, give me a break, scum and filth will always be just that, no amount of whitewashing or wishful thinking will change that reality… call it as you know it, understand it, see it.. just saying
Kia Kaha (stay strong) from New Zealand
Seems like the depravity of PRAVDA has infested the western media so that these historical inconvenient truths must be supressed. EU is now the new USSR as some had shrewdly predicted. Europeans now huddle in their kitchens for hushed conversations as the Moscovites used to do in Soviet times.
Indeed!
It’s hard to imagine someone like Starmer ordering the British embassy to refit its bathroom before his visit so he could spend an evening soaking himself while guzzling the finest malt and smoking an Hoya de Monterrey.
Boris, possibly…
Thanks for writing this, Ian.
Disrespecting May 9th is the same as disrespecting May 8th or Nov 11th or any other such day.
I don't remember people suggesting Nov 11th should be boycotted, or attacked with drones, just because the British military were on any particular Nov 11th conducting an illegal war in Iraq.
My grandfather was on the convoys and was pulled out of the water twice after his ship was torpedoed. I always wondered how he felt, having risked his life on the Murmansk runs, and I imagine having lost close friends, when Churchill (or whoever) rushed to declare the Soviet Union as the enemy soon after the war ended. I'd have felt very embittered, but my grandfather never spoke about the war to me; just snippets towards his death: "I was in the water twice".
There was also cooperation in World War I, though not to the same degree, I'm led to believe. My great-grandfather captained a British ship that rescued 300 Russian sailors out of the Arctic Ocean after their ship went down. He was awarded some sort of honour like 'Hero of Russia', by the Tsar, and I don't have a date but it must have been shortly before the last Tsar was no more. I'd love to have the original but obviously there is only one and my uncle has it and it will no doubt go down his side of the family.
So this disrespect, indeed naked hostility and aggression towards May 9th is not just insulting to the Russians, and no doubt many Ukrainians, it is insulting to us Brits with convoy relatives.
I saw a very troubling video yesterday of an elderly Ukrainian lady, attempting to lay flowers to commemorate May 9th. She was arrested by the Ukrainian police and carted off in a police car.
The things we humans do to each other.
Such a necessary article. People are not aware.
It pains me to read in the corporate media, that the presence of Ukrainians in the UK VE commemorations is being used to vilify Russia - yet thousands of Ukrainian soldiers fought alongside Russians in the Red Army against the Nazis in WW2.
You just want to ask those Ukrainians, what did your grandfather do in the war?…. Who did they fight for? What makes me really sick are the Slugworthy characters in the British state enabling all of this.
Anyone who is really interested in unveiling the historica truth of WWII can certainly do so simply by researching the internet. It's all there if you really want to discover it. I really believe that taking lies for truth is a discretionary choice. Why choose the lies, it feels more comfortable in may cases, that's why?
A really interesting question. I don't know the answer. i wonder whether most people don't have the mental bandwidth to think about issues outside of their immediate concerns e.g having somewhere to live, making sure their kids are safe etc. I wonder if this makes people susceptible to propaganda?
Indeed, it is a prerequisite to ease the conditioning of the mind. Hamsters on a wheel who don’t have the time to consider things or invest for the future. Since retirement last year, that has been very clear to me…